Curse

MuKen · Aug 06, 2005, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

It fuels greed, which, if I got the movie se7en correctly, is one of the major sins.

That doesn't make it bad. Free will fuels all the seven sins, so is God bad for giving free will? Capitalism just gives people the opportunity to be greedy, people do the rest on their own.

Note: I am not actually religious, but merely debating within a religious context.

Magik · Aug 06, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

There's always one thing to counter another, you buying the gold helps support them since the sweatshop workers might possibly be in need of financial help, but on the other hand it might ruin GW economy, or for lazy people only blah blah blah. The concept of ying and yang is all around us. Not everyone's views are the same, no everyone is religiously the same, even living on one city compared to another is totally different, and the way you describe a glass of water would mean to you, could be totally different to another from another country. The sweatshop workers are not being held as slaves, their work conditions are not horrible either, they work there because it's an easy job, if they wanted better I'm sure they could find it. If people have the money to spend on services like this and they do, what's there to complain about? You cannot experiance happiness without sadness. Give a little to get a little.

Granamyr · Aug 08, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I am not willing to condemn any of the players within this farming arena...neither buyers, sellers, workers, owners, etc. The only thing that suffers in this equation is the game's economy and someone needs to show me an online game economy that hasn't tanked almost immediately on its own before claiming its destruction was evil and not eventual.

It would be one thing if these games actually spent time trying to foster their in-game economy or took measures to provide gamers with their demands. ANet could have made a fortune had they included in the collector's edition and Unlock All Skills option. The players were demanding it, why not supply it? If ANet doesn't supply it, someone else will and I don't have a problem with that.....explain why you do?

Hiryu · Dec 10, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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This is ridiculous.

I have to honestly admit that this is genius.
Massive respect to the entrepreneurs who thought of this. They exist because gamers wanted them to exist. Otherwise, they'd be out of a job. As for the sweatshops, the people who work in them wanted to work in them. These sweatshops employed otherwise unemployed people, or else improved the incomes of said people.

/end honest opinion

Mjollnir of Eitri · Dec 10, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

If you can sucker someone into buying a virtual item, more power to ya. I don't really care.

Loviatar · Dec 10, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

as for that 58 cents/hour you have to consider how cheap everything else is.

it might not be a single mc dinner here but there it is a living wage.

i said living i did not say good.

close them down and some might die.

as stated where else will they find employment?(prostitution maybe?)

d.crane · Dec 10, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

wow, that's pretty stunning

i have all these things in my head to say, but i just cant muster the words

Ok, i'd first like to say that i agree with the post above me ^

without this job (which may not be the best) how would they live?

i believe someone else said something about how they could get all this money from the stuff they farm. Thats the same with any job! If, for instance, i worked at a movie theatre (which, i do

) i could steal all the money in the till, that i made over that shift, and make more than i got payed to come to work and collect this money.

It is true, these people are very intelligent for seeing a possibility for profit (by selling in game gold and items), but they're using people's poverty to their advantage, which is morally wrong.

I have things to say, but it's hard to type what i really mean.

H2SO4 · Dec 12, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

basically youre right, hey ! miscellanious-chineese-virtual-sweatshop-runner #272, heres $20, Im joing your party afor one hrour,going to kill myself and you're going to get gold.

PERFECTLY ALLOWED

or

ME: "miscellanious-chineese-virtual-sweatshop-runner #275, heres $20 for no reason."
MCVSR#275: "Heres 100K for no special reson, enjoy life"
ME: "ta"

not a crime

I've never done this, but I dont see anytihng wrong with it especially if I just oculdnt be bothered 'farming' How else are you supposed to get all the facy stuff ? Hope that it arrives during the course of the missions ? feh !

FARMING !

Juhanah · Dec 12, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Evan montegarde

Who's fault is this? Let's think...Oh, Anet! I'd never buy gold for money, but if it was as easy to earn 100,000 gold in the game as it is to earn $9 in real life, it would upset the whole ebay market.

If it was easy to get 100,000 gold in game, Rarest item would sell for 100,000,000,000+ gold so there's no points. Although we can't have that amount of money, you probably know what i mean.

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Originally Posted by EtrnalXellotath

Maybe Im missing something... but where is all of this information coming from? (Not the article, but the allegations about NCSoft and Anet..) Im not dissagreeing with you, but Im confused as to why they would make the Korean's pay for GW, when the Americals and Euro's dont?
Maybe Im ignorant...
Prove me wrong.

Registration page from guildwars.co.kr
https://secure.guildwars.co.kr/payme...ment/intro.asp

and there to get day/month/year pay cards.
https://secure.guildwars.co.kr/payme...wCardGuide.asp

Game market in Asia don't work like in America and Europe. I wouldn't be surprise if China get Pay-to-Play also.
If Thailand join in, they will have Pay-to-Play too since the game market over there is ruled by a mad company named AsiaSoft who even make game server close at night so kids go to sleep haha.

EDIT: Also in Korea, most people play games from internet cafe, so they pay the guy who hold the cafe to use the computer and play the game, while the cafe holder pay the monthly fees for his games. I never went to Korea but i'm sure they have dedicated internet cafe for each games

Like a internet cafe with big guildwars sign.

Red Sonya · Dec 12, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Maybe there really is a MATRIX!!

So basically what we should all do is not buy any foreign publishers games. And local games shouldn't allow foreign accounts. That'll fix the foreign sweatshops. I know you couldn't get an American to work for .58 an hour, lol, SSI and Welfare pay much more than that.

Arturo02 · Dec 12, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

and Hiryu wins the "Rez of the Week" Award!

Dametrus · Dec 12, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Okay, this may be a far fetched conspiracy, but it is pretty believable. WHAT IF...NCSoft/Anet get a cut from these sweatshops earnings? HMMMM...makes you think huh.

I remember when there was an article about Sony at one time about everquest sweatshops. There was actual evidence of fund transfers from certain known farming companies to Sony. I wish I could find it now. Been about 2-3 years though.

IT"$ ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMIN$ BABY!!!

Red Sonya · Dec 12, 2005, 05:19 AM // 05:19

SOE even setup servers on EQ2 for selling of ingame items for real life dollars, did you know that?

They wanted to streamline their profits since they lost so many subscibers to WoW and GW's. lol

darkMishkin · Dec 12, 2005, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Wow, the world is a bad place, never realised that. I just thought we were all happy capitalists eating vacuum packed food while playing censored online games. You imagine that anything you buy; trainers, shirts, christmas presents, were made by workers in better conditions? I think the term 'fire and forget' perfectly describes amateur activists who post their furious morals on internet forums, who then proceed to decorate their serious message with ridiculous smiley faces.

Xethrion · Dec 12, 2005, 08:42 AM // 08:42

The way I see it, there are 2 ways of getting rich. One, you have lots of time (IE you're a student) and can farm like mad. Or two, you have a glut of RL cash (you're working) and you can afford to eBay your gold. I don't see the problem with busy professionals wanting to buy gold to enjoy the game.

Or are you suggesting that you, the "mad l33tz0rs g4m3rz!!!oneone" are the only ones who can have fancy armour and weapons? And that busy professionals, who have to work, and put food on the table, should be stuck with crappy stuff on their characters when they want to unwind after a long day's work?

Tiq · Dec 12, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Buying game money with real money is cheating, simple as that, its got nothing to do with the "l33tz0rs g4m3rz!!!" as you put it.......your using real money to gain an unfair advantage over others, because they have more time to play than you.

Lady Cream · Dec 12, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

If they were no buyers, they were no sellers. Go in Ebay, and check some profiles... and it's always funny to see an ebay item in trades forums... or someone who buy crystallines and resell on ebay...

Xethrion · Dec 12, 2005, 10:26 AM // 10:26

So people should get punished for not having as much free time as students? They should be punished for being working adults? They should be at an inherent disadvantage and get made fun of by 'kids' (I generalize) because they don't have as much free time as them to play and get 'l337 armour'?

I don't see how the advantage is unfair as the more expensive versions of the same armour are just better aesthetically. Or how the collector weapons and expensive weapons differ only by a few percentage points (upgrade as well). Admittedly, some greens are better than their collector variants. But the difference isn't that great IMO, to make it seriously unfair. Unless you're talking bout how UNFAIR IT IS that "people who spend less time than me playing the game can have the same cool armour as me". Adults have a life. The mega-farmers who farm for hours on end don't. To balance that out, adults have cash, the mega INGAME farmers don't. Too bad isn't it. The world is actually *gasp* fair!

Perhaps the people who are *I generalize again* losers in real life want some reason to lord over people in game just because they have more time to spend. Too bad, the real world intrudes yet again on their fantasy world. Because this game is made by REAL people and played by REAL people living in a REAL world. Tragic isn't it.

PS : I'm a student. I farmed every ecto of my Fissure armours by solomonking the UW because I have plenty of spare time. But I don't begrudge people who have no time to spend on the game, buying ingame stuff with their real life money. Because, as long as the money spent makes them feel good, who are you to decide how they should spend their hard earned money?

Numa Pompilius · Dec 12, 2005, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Arturo02

and Hiryu wins the "Rez of the Week" Award!

Yep, definitely the oldest thread pointlessly resurrected this week. * golf clap *

Tiq · Dec 12, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Xethrion

So people should get punished for not having as much free time as students? They should be punished for being working adults? They should be at an inherent disadvantage and get made fun of by 'kids' (I generalize) because they don't have as much free time as them to play and get 'l337 armour'?

I don't see how the advantage is unfair as the more expensive versions of the same armour are just better aesthetically. Or how the collector weapons and expensive weapons differ only by a few percentage points (upgrade as well). Admittedly, some greens are better than their collector variants. But the difference isn't that great IMO, to make it seriously unfair. Unless you're talking bout how UNFAIR IT IS that "people who spend less time than me playing the game can have the same cool armour as me". Adults have a life. The mega-farmers who farm for hours on end don't. To balance that out, adults have cash, the mega INGAME farmers don't. Too bad isn't it. The world is actually *gasp* fair!

Perhaps the people who are *I generalize again* losers in real life want some reason to lord over people in game just because they have more time to spend. Too bad, the real world intrudes yet again on their fantasy world. Because this game is made by REAL people and played by REAL people living in a REAL world. Tragic isn't it.

PS : I'm a student. I farmed every ecto of my Fissure armours by solomonking the UW because I have plenty of spare time. But I don't begrudge people who have no time to spend on the game, buying ingame stuff with their real life money. Because, as long as the money spent makes them feel good, who are you to decide how they should spend their hard earned money?

If people dont have time to play the game properly, they shouldnt bother buying it, if you dont have a decent amount of time to put into a game, then an mmo isnt really the right choice.

If everyone else is having to put in time be it farming or trading or whatever to make theyre money, then so should everyone else

Then theres the fact that the more people who buy using real life money and such, the more it thrives, and the more you end up with jacked up prices on items, making it impossible for the normal players to buy them, and as I said, using real life money is cheating, plane and simple.